On the Coherence of Mencius’ Concept of Li: An Analysis Based on Moral Reasons Internalism
Abstract
:1. Introduction
2. What Is the Problem of Coherence in Mencius’ Li?
2.1. On Mencius’ Li: Disagreements in Current Studies
2.2. Awareness of the Philosophical Problem with Li in Early Confucians before Mencius
3. Arguments for Incompatibilism
3.1. The Internalist Position of Mencius’ Li
As far as what is genuinely in him is concerned, a man is capable of becoming good. That is what I mean by good. As for his becoming bad, that is not the fault of his native endowment. The heart of compassion is possessed by all men alike; likewise the heart of shame, the heart of respect, and the heart of right and wrong. The heart of compassion pertains to benevolence, the heart of shame to dutifulness, the heart of respect to the observance of the rites, and the heart of right and wrong to wisdom. Benevolence, dutifulness, observance of the rites, and wisdom do not give me a lustre from the outside; they are in me originally. Only this has never dawned on me. That is why it is said, ‘Seek and you will get it; let go and you will lose it.(Mencius 6A6)
3.2. The Externalist Position of Mencius’ Li
When Mencius was a Minister of [Qi] he went on a mission of condolence to [Teng]. The King of [Qi] made Wang Huan, the governor of Ke, his deputy. Wang Huan went to see Mencius morning and evening, but throughout the journeys to and from [Teng], Mencius never discussed official business with him…“Your position as Minister of [Qi], asked [Gong du Zi], is by no means insignificant, and the distance between [Qi] and [Teng] is by no means short, yet throughout the journeys between the two states you never discussed official business with Wang Huan. Why was that?”…“He has managed the whole affair. What was there for me to say?”(Mencius 2B6)
[Gong hang Zi] lost a son, and Wang Huan, the [you shi]12 went to offer his condolence. As he entered, people went up to greet him, and, as he sat down, others came over to speak to him. Mencius did not speak to him and Wang Huan was displeased. “All the gentlemen present spoke to me”, said he, “with the sole exception of Mencius. He showed me scant courtesy”. Mencius, on hearing of this, said, “According to the rites, at court one should not step across seats to speak to others, neither should one step across steps to bow to them. All I wished was to observe the rites, and [Zi ao] thought I was showing him scant courtesy. Is that not extraordinary?”(Mencius 4B27)
Premise 1 (P1): Mencius held that moral reasons necessarily have some relationship to motivation.
Premise 2 (P2): There are passages in the Mencius showing that moral reasons are not necessarily related to motivation.
Conclusion: Mencius’ concept of li is incoherent.
4. A Defense of the Coherence of Mencius’ Li
4.1. Moral Li and Non-Moral Li
There are honours bestowed by Heaven, and there are honours bestowed by man. Benevolence, dutifulness, conscientiousness, truthfulness to one’s word, unflagging delight in what is good,—these are honours bestowed by Heaven. The position of a Ducal Minister, a Minister, or a Counsellor is an honour bestowed by man. Men of antiquity bent their efforts towards acquiring honours bestowed by Heaven, and honours bestowed by man followed as a matter of course. Men of today bend their efforts towards acquiring honours bestowed by Heaven in order to win honours bestowed by man, and once the latter is won they discard the former. Such men are deluded to the extreme, and in the end are sure only to perish.(Mencius 6A16)
4.2. The Argument for the Coherence of Mencius’ Li
P1: Incompatibilists argue that although Mencius advocated internalism, certain passages in the text of Mencius indicate that moral reasons can exist independently of agents’ motivation, thereby rendering Mencius’ view of moral reasons incoherent. Consequently, they claim that Mencius’ concept of li is also incoherent.
P2: Mencius distinguished moral li and non-moral li, specifically between moral reasons and non-moral normative reasons. Moral reasons are grounded in moral motivation, whereas non-moral normative reasons need not be necessarily related to the agents’ motivation.
P3: All the moral reasons exemplified by incompatibilists refer to non-moral normative reasons from the perspective of internalism. In fact, the cases that Mencius adopted, i.e., non-moral normative reasons, are not contrary to internalism.
Conclusion: The incompatibilists’ argument is not correct, and it can be concluded that Mencius consistently adhered to coherent internalism.
5. Responding to the Challenge of Externalism through the Clarification of “Seeking the Cause within Oneself”
The organs of hearing and sight are unable to think and can be misled by external things. When one thing acts on another, all it does is to attract it. The organ of the heart can think. But it will find the answer only if it does think; otherwise, it will not find the answer. This is what Heaven has given me. If one makes one’s stand on what is of greater importance in the first instance, what is of smaller importance cannot usurp its place. In this way, one cannot but be a great man.(Mencius 6A15)
6. Conclusions
Author Contributions
Funding
Informed Consent Statement
Data Availability Statement
Acknowledgments
Conflicts of Interest
1 | In this paper, I employ the word “heart-mind” rather than “heart” to translate xin (心). |
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3 | The word “agent” generally means that a person is free and responsible. This paper assumes by default that all people are agents, who have special powers of reasoning and choice, enabling them to engage not just with the physical realm but also with the realm of value and moral principles. At least in the view of Confucians, they do not have doubts and thoughts about whether human beings are agents or are merely determined by causal laws. Thus, this article does not strictly make a distinction between agents, individuals, and persons or people. |
4 | Scholars such as Wu Xinying and Zhang Shuye express the view of compatibilism in their papers. Wu (2017, p. 47) claims that li plays a dual role in the process of its conceptual internalization; that is, it is regarded as both internalized virtues and external rules of action that manifest these virtues. Zhang (2012, p. 71) states that Mencius’ concept of li has a heart-mind basis, but this by no means implies that it deviates from Confucian political teachings, in which li and yue (乐 music) play an important role and they have a powerful and profound institutional evocative effect. |
5 | There are also disagreements within compatibilism. Mencius presupposed that human beings have four moral endowments, which are ren (仁 benevolence), yi (义 righteousness), li (礼 rituals, rites, and observance of them), and zhi (智wisdom), but the moral status of them is not balanced. Shun (1997, p. 52) states, “li is reflected in the description of li as a kind of adornment (Mencius 4A27); li is a way of regulating or beautifying interactions that people may engage in for reasons independent of li.” In other words, he thinks the moral value of li itself comes from ren and yi. In contrast, Liu (2020, pp. 71–72) argues that li has intrinsic moral value. |
6 | There are two main contributions to this paper, which differ from previous works. Firstly, it provides a clear description of the coherence problem of Mencius’ concept of li and divides the current studies into two camps, i.e., compatibilism and incompatibilism. Secondly, by regarding Mencius’ li as moral reasons internalism, it systematically refutes the challenge of incompatibilism, as well as responds to other possible criticisms of Mencius. The majority of compatibilists have defaulted to their position without justifying it and responding to the challenges of incompatibilists. There is other representative work on reconciling Mencius’ two dimensions of li, but the method is quite different from mine. I mainly compare my work with it in note 14. |
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8 | Normative reason is usually compared to motivating reason. About this distinction, the best explanation is that a normative reason is a consideration that counts in favor of or against doing something. In contrast, a motivating reason answers the question, “Why did she do it?”. See Valerie Tiberius (2015, p. 49). |
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10 | The criteria for the distinction between “internal” and “external” are disputable. In this paper, I adopt Tiberius’ approach to explaining the division that “internal” means it is within the capacity of the agent, whereas “external” means it is not necessarily connected to the capacity of the agent, so there could be something “out there” that is independent of any agent. See Valerie Tiberius (2015, pp. 50–51). In this sense, internalism can accommodate the Kantian position. For example, Christine Korsgaard, a prominent contemporary Kantian scholar, argues that an “internalist,” in the general sense, believes that moral considerations necessarily have some power to motivate us and that internalism, and this general sense is correct. See Korsgaard (1996, p. 81). |
11 | One might object and say, “There is no motivation in the potential sense because motivation entails the actual occurrence of action, whereas potential has nothing to do with action’s actual happening”. Such an understanding of “motivation” is in the narrow sense, defining it in terms of the actual occurrence of an action. This paper interprets “motivation” in a broad sense, including not only facts about the actual occurrence of action but also the agent’s motivational attitudes, such as desires, emotions, and intentions, as well as the ability or mental states which would be predictable to motivate the agent, for example, if they were fully informed. There is common sense that the latter can also play a key role in motivating actions but do not necessarily lead to the actual occurrence of the action. |
12 | You shi is 右师. As D. C. Lau notes, “[you shi]: An official post in the state of [Qi]. It is not clear what its functions were”. |
13 | The terms “moral” and “ethical” are often used as equivalent to “right” or “good” and as opposed to “immoral” and “unethical”. However, they can also mean “pertaining to morality” and are opposed to the “nonmoral” or “nonethical”, not to the “immoral” or “unethical”. We also use the word “morality” to refer to something that is coordinated with but different from art, science, law, convention, or religion, though it may be related to them. See William K. Frankena (1973, p. 7). |
14 | Liu (2020, p. 70) thinks Mencius divided the connotation of li into normative li and virtuous li and considered both of them to be of equal importance. By comparison, what is considered in this paper is quite different from hers. Firstly, this paper follows logical dichotomy in distinguishing the connotations of li. Here, the point is that Mencius realized that morality and normativity in the broad sense cannot be equivalent, so he consciously made morality independent from the latter, and thus, there is a dichotomy between morality and non-moral normativity. Normativity, in the broad sense, includes not only moral norms but also other non-moral components, such as laws, conventions, and other social regulations. Secondly, this paper argues that from the internalist point of view, moral li cannot be given equal importance with normative li because moral li is independent of and more important than that. However, this does not mean that Mencius did not take normative li seriously, as long as they did not conflict with moral li. Thirdly, using the term “moral li” instead of “virtuous li” in this paper seems to give the impression that the terminology is too broad. The reader may go on to ask, “Does the moral normativity of li root in emotion, reason, or virtue? If it derives from virtue, does it derive, in Mencius’ view, from the virtue of ren and yi or from the virtue of li itself?” In fact, this paper focuses on the higher-order question of whether the source of morality is internal or external, not the question of the source of the internal. Moreover, the latter question arises from the internalist position and thus does not affect the conclusion of this paper, so its answer is left open. |
15 | David B. Wong (2006, p. 551) also thinks that in Mencius’ view, moral reasons are internal to human motivation or basic motivations shared by all men and external to an individual’s motivational system. |
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Liu S, Xie X. On the Coherence of Mencius’ Concept of Li: An Analysis Based on Moral Reasons Internalism. Religions. 2023; 14(8):1061. https://doi.org/10.3390/rel14081061
Chicago/Turabian StyleLiu, Shuwen, and Xiaodong Xie. 2023. "On the Coherence of Mencius’ Concept of Li: An Analysis Based on Moral Reasons Internalism" Religions 14, no. 8: 1061. https://doi.org/10.3390/rel14081061
APA StyleLiu, S., & Xie, X. (2023). On the Coherence of Mencius’ Concept of Li: An Analysis Based on Moral Reasons Internalism. Religions, 14(8), 1061. https://doi.org/10.3390/rel14081061